1424. I was also given to perceive that such is their life on their own earth that they care nothing about earthly and corporeal things, but about things which are outside of themselves, such as those which are in heaven. Thus they speak with spirits who instruct them concerning the things that are in heaven, and they are thereby delighted with the cognitions of spiritual things. Therefore, also, when they called forth many things from my memory, they said and affirmed that it is of such a nature, not knowing that I am in the body.