1424. I was also given to realize that their life on their planet is such that they have no care for earthly and bodily concerns, but for things beyond them, such as what is in heaven. So they speak with spirits, who teach them about what is in heaven, and they enjoy higher knowledge of spiritual matters. Therefore, when they were drawing out several items from my memory, they said that it was so [1420], and thus affirmed the matter, not knowing that I am in the body.