1329. There was a third subject then discussed. This was not among those reasonings from which the murmuring arose. The question was why those persons mentioned in the Lord's Word or who are otherwise well known become present as that the apostles should now be present and be the subjects of their reasonings, and not those who are not so famous. From the fact that in heaven those who are well known are present, as also those whom I knew in their lifetime who were present, and because it is true that this is so, very many heavenly arcana can thence be deduced, as that the order and the communications of the societies require it although no one comes into sight except one who is permitted by the Lord, and this takes place from leave.