1329. The third subject that was then discussed-not being one of the false arguments that caused the murmuring-was the question, why it is that those mentioned in the Word of the Lord and otherwise well known persons appear, and not others who are not so famous. Take, for example, the fact that the apostles were present just now and were the subjects of argumentation. Since this happens in heaven, that is, that well known people are present, just as even some that I have known in life, who were there-since it is true that this happens-very many heavenly secrets can be deduced from that fact, such as that the order and mutual sharing of the societies require it, although none come to view unless they are permitted by the Lord and it happens by His grace.