As they walked, they first turned towards the East, where they saw the sun shining in its strength, and since they were under its direct rays, the new spirits asked the angels about that sun, whether it were the same sun which they had seen in the former world, since it has the same height above us and the same size, is similarly reddish and fiery, and gives forth heat and light in the same way; 'and if it is the same sun', they said, we not in nature! For what origin has nature except its own sun)' But the angels said, 'This sun is not the sun of the natural world; it is the sun of the spiritual world. This is the source of our universe, the angels live by its light and heat, so do the spirits. Both we and they get understanding and wisdom from its light, both we and they get will and love from its heat. This sun's essence is pure love, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the God of heaven and earth, and one with God the Father, is in the midst of it.