1319. The third kind of tumult which next followed was above me at the right. It was like a harsh sounding murmur, not so confused. This harshness was turned hither and thither, forwards and backwards. It was told me that this is the way in which the truths of faith clash with reasonings, for the harsh sound is that of the truths which as yet tend hither and thither, forwards and backwards, owing to the reasonings.