1319. The third kind, which followed next, was above me to the right. It was like a rasping murmur, not too confused, and that rasping sound turned hither and thither, back and forth. This, I was told, is how truths of religion battle with reasonings, for the rasping is one of truths, which [though true,] nevertheless still bend hither and thither, back and forth, because of reasonings.