7073. In addition I spoke to them about sheep and lambs, but they were unwilling to listen to such things because they saw them as earthly objects. The reason why they did so was that they lacked any understanding of what innocence was, which is meant by 'lambs'. I realized that they lacked it from the following experience: When I said that in heaven lambs are not seen represented as lambs but that innocence is perceived instead when mention is made of them, they said that they did not know what innocence was; they knew it merely as a word. The reason for this is that they have an affection only for knowledge, not for useful services, which are the ends that knowledge has in view, 6815. Thus not having any affection for the ends which knowledge has in view, neither can they have any inward perception that enables them to know what innocence is.