5518. 'And the man, the lord of the land, said to us' means discernment regarding the celestial of the spiritual ruling in the natural. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' in the historical narratives of the Word as discerning, often dealt with already; and from the meaning of 'the man, the lord of the land' as the celestial of the spiritual ruling in the natural, dealt with above in 5510.