1115. Those who belonged to the Most Ancient Church, which was called Man, or Adam, and who were celestial people, are very high up overhead, where they live together in supreme happiness. They said that others rarely visited them, except from time to time certain people from somewhere different who say that they are 'from the universe'. They also said that they were so high up overhead, not because they were haughty but so that they might govern those who were there.