I was led to yet another planet in the universe outside our solar system, and this too was accomplished by means of changes of state, which went on for almost twelve hours. There were among my companions a number of spirits and angels belonging to our planet, to whom I talked on the way or during that journey. At one time the path bore me diagonally upwards, at another diagonally downwards, all the time towards the south. In merely two places did I see spirits, and in one I talked to them.