5603. And Judah said unto Israel his father. That this signifies perception from the good of the church concerning these things, is evident from the signification of "saying" in the historicals of the Word, as being to perceive (of which often above); from the representation of Judah, as being the good of the church (see n. 5583); and from the representation of Israel, as being the internal spiritual church (n. 3305, 4286). From this it is plain that by "Judah's saying to Israel his father" is signified the perception of the church from its good.