192. All changes of place in the spiritual world come about by changes of state of the interiors so that changes of place are nothing else than changes of state.# In this way also I have been led by the Lord into the heavens and likewise to the earths in the universe. This happened as to my spirit, my body remaining in the same place.## All the angels move in this manner. Consequently, for them there are no distances; and since there are no distances, there are no spaces either, but instead states and their changes. # In the Word "places" and "spaces" signify stases (n. 2625, 2837, 3356, 3387, 7381, 10580); from experience (n. 1274, 1277, 1376-1381, 4321, 4882, 10146, 10580). "Distance" signifies difference of state of life (n. 9104, 9967). In the spiritual world "movements" and changes of place are changes of the state of life, because they originate in these (n. 1273-1275, 1377, 3356, 9440). The same is true of journeyings (n. 9440, 50734); illustrated from experience (n. 1273-1277, 5605). For this reason in the Word "to journey" signifies to live and also progress of life; and "to sojourn" has a like meaning (n. 3335, 4554, 4585, 4882, 5493, 5605, 5996, 8345, 8397, 8417, 8420, 8557). To go with the Lord means to live with Him (n. 10567). ## Man, as to his spirit, may be led to a distance afar off by changes of state, while his body remains in the same place. Also from experience (n. 9440, 9967, 10734). What is to be "led by the spirit into another place" (n. 1884).