1630. Afterwards, from the highest point of heaven, as from the zenith, certain intelligent spirits-intelligent, however, due to the natural sciences and philosophical principles-spoke with me. They were the kind who tried to convince themselves of religious truths by means of confirmatory philosophical principles and natural sciences, but doing so from their own intelligence. This appeared to be a similar case, namely, that their mental images were closed, and did not go any further; for the Lord Alone must work [belief in us].