1417. In short, because they did not want to pay attention to the grosser bodily, worldly and material things, I was brought to perceive they were from a different planet. Then after that, [I realized it] also from the fact that they paid no attention to the [spiritual and heavenly] matters portrayed by those bodily and worldly things, as the people of the ancient Church did-so neither were they from the ancient Church-but only wanted to obtain, apart from such things, deeper knowledge of real events, which they enjoyed. This also explains their facility.